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		<title>By: Ronald Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate your due diligence. Having looked up the law on GovTrac, and linked to the original posting on Thomas, I find it less problematic that even Kucinich and Lee voted for the original House version. (Both were among the non-voters on the reconciled bill that Obama signed.) It turned out, after looking up the statute itself, that the real damage had already been done in 2006 and 1994, when the sanction was changed from a misdemeanor with a maximum sentence of six months and a $500 fine to a felony with a year&#039;s imprisonment for non-violent gathering, and an unspecified and therefore potentially unlimited fine. HR347 and its accompanying Senate bill basically reduced the verbiage of the 2006 law, without fundamentally altering it. 

That said, it strikes me nevertheless as absurd that the people&#039;s servants can tell the master of the house that s/he is forbidden to trespass without permission on her or his own property. After all, these &quot;restricted&quot; areas were paid for by the people who pay the salary of the restrictors. And the public spaces are becoming an endangered relic of pre-Security state times, with privatized functions and prohibitive fees taking their place, as well as the execrable and utterly fascistic &quot;free speech zones.&quot; The people are right to be concerned, if not hysterical; it is just that this particular bill does little to advance the police state from the major strides it had already made. A more constructive response would be to demand support for Ron Paul&#039;s move to repeal the most objectionable parts of the NDAA-12, and for the bills in the Senate and House to define U.S. citizens and national residents as outside the purview of the terrorist legislation of the last few years, as a first step toward entire repeal. That, and refusing to support those who voted for the NDAA-12, for the Patriot Act, for the Defense bill of 1907 that effectively repealed the requirement for the 700-year-old tradition in English common law of _habeas corpus_, and for other similar legislation. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your due diligence. Having looked up the law on GovTrac, and linked to the original posting on Thomas, I find it less problematic that even Kucinich and Lee voted for the original House version. (Both were among the non-voters on the reconciled bill that Obama signed.) It turned out, after looking up the statute itself, that the real damage had already been done in 2006 and 1994, when the sanction was changed from a misdemeanor with a maximum sentence of six months and a $500 fine to a felony with a year&#8217;s imprisonment for non-violent gathering, and an unspecified and therefore potentially unlimited fine. HR347 and its accompanying Senate bill basically reduced the verbiage of the 2006 law, without fundamentally altering it. </p>
<p>That said, it strikes me nevertheless as absurd that the people&#8217;s servants can tell the master of the house that s/he is forbidden to trespass without permission on her or his own property. After all, these &#8220;restricted&#8221; areas were paid for by the people who pay the salary of the restrictors. And the public spaces are becoming an endangered relic of pre-Security state times, with privatized functions and prohibitive fees taking their place, as well as the execrable and utterly fascistic &#8220;free speech zones.&#8221; The people are right to be concerned, if not hysterical; it is just that this particular bill does little to advance the police state from the major strides it had already made. A more constructive response would be to demand support for Ron Paul&#8217;s move to repeal the most objectionable parts of the NDAA-12, and for the bills in the Senate and House to define U.S. citizens and national residents as outside the purview of the terrorist legislation of the last few years, as a first step toward entire repeal. That, and refusing to support those who voted for the NDAA-12, for the Patriot Act, for the Defense bill of 1907 that effectively repealed the requirement for the 700-year-old tradition in English common law of _habeas corpus_, and for other similar legislation. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or a Tea Party anti-rally to Govt&#039;s spending.  I recently read a congresscritter complaint about the TPer&#039;s inability to have a protest in DC.  I&#039;m pretty sure the GOP whiner didn&#039;t tell them that NDAA was why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or a Tea Party anti-rally to Govt&#8217;s spending.  I recently read a congresscritter complaint about the TPer&#8217;s inability to have a protest in DC.  I&#8217;m pretty sure the GOP whiner didn&#8217;t tell them that NDAA was why.</p>
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		<title>By: Clyde Harkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clyde Harkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 22:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Due some thoughtful research and you will find that Americans do not have any unalienable or inalienable rights that can actually be exercised as stated in the Declaration of Independence.  Why is this a fact?
The 14th Amendment that was not lawfully passed in 1868 legally abolished all such rights and converted them into arbitary privleges and immunities.  Civil rights aren&#039;t rights if they are granted by government.  What government gives it may also take away. You and I volunteer (most likely due to ignorance) to be persons and U. S. Citizens that made us slaves. Do not complain that the owner of your rights is now taking them away.


Clyde </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due some thoughtful research and you will find that Americans do not have any unalienable or inalienable rights that can actually be exercised as stated in the Declaration of Independence.  Why is this a fact?<br />
The 14th Amendment that was not lawfully passed in 1868 legally abolished all such rights and converted them into arbitary privleges and immunities.  Civil rights aren&#8217;t rights if they are granted by government.  What government gives it may also take away. You and I volunteer (most likely due to ignorance) to be persons and U. S. Citizens that made us slaves. Do not complain that the owner of your rights is now taking them away.</p>
<p>Clyde</p>
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		<title>By: Annakis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annakis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 12:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And also consider that all the police have to do is say that a politician is going to make an appearance so whatever you are doing is in violation of this law and arrest you. It really amounts to the honesty of law enforcement and this gives them almost a blank check on arresting people who disagree. 
99% rally. Just have a politician show up and they can arrest everyone. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And also consider that all the police have to do is say that a politician is going to make an appearance so whatever you are doing is in violation of this law and arrest you. It really amounts to the honesty of law enforcement and this gives them almost a blank check on arresting people who disagree.<br />
99% rally. Just have a politician show up and they can arrest everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 14:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I call bullshit.  The police can interpret ANYTHING as disorderly 
conduct!  Anyone who thinks this protects the public is probably living a
 sheltered life and never gets out in the REAL world.  

And ANY demonstration can be considered ‘knowing intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government&#039;!

This
 is a license to mow down peaceful protestors (like the Occupy Movement,
 who is obviously being targeted by this) by the military, and lock them
 up indefinitely.
 
Francoise you have very little credibility, and
 are either incredibly naive or an apologist for the fascist disease 
infesting our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I call bullshit.  The police can interpret ANYTHING as disorderly<br />
conduct!  Anyone who thinks this protects the public is probably living a<br />
 sheltered life and never gets out in the REAL world.  </p>
<p>And ANY demonstration can be considered ‘knowing intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government&#8217;!</p>
<p>This<br />
 is a license to mow down peaceful protestors (like the Occupy Movement,<br />
 who is obviously being targeted by this) by the military, and lock them<br />
 up indefinitely.</p>
<p>Francoise you have very little credibility, and<br />
 are either incredibly naive or an apologist for the fascist disease<br />
infesting our country.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 14:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I call bullshit.  The police can interpret ANYTHING as disorderly 
conduct!  Anyone who thinks this protects the public is probably living a
 sheltered life and never gets out in the REAL world.  

And ANY demonstration can be considered ‘knowing intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government&#039;!

This
 is a license to mow down peaceful protestors (like the Occupy Movement,
 who is obviously being targeted by this) by the military, and lock them
 up indefinitely.
 
Francoise you have very little credibility, and
 are either incredibly naive or an apologist for the fascist disease 
infesting our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I call bullshit.  The police can interpret ANYTHING as disorderly<br />
conduct!  Anyone who thinks this protects the public is probably living a<br />
 sheltered life and never gets out in the REAL world.  </p>
<p>And ANY demonstration can be considered ‘knowing intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government&#8217;!</p>
<p>This<br />
 is a license to mow down peaceful protestors (like the Occupy Movement,<br />
 who is obviously being targeted by this) by the military, and lock them<br />
 up indefinitely.</p>
<p>Francoise you have very little credibility, and<br />
 are either incredibly naive or an apologist for the fascist disease<br />
infesting our country.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 14:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democrats and Republicans are passing these fascist laws, &lt;b&gt;so let&#039;s vote AGAINST these traitors!&lt;/b&gt;

The Green Party is the progressive alternative. The Green Party doesn&#039;t accept corporate money and represents the 99%.

5% of the vote will get the Green Party matching Federal funds.

Your Green vote sends a message to the corporate parties that passing fascist laws and using military tactics to brutalize people exercising their freedom of speech will cost them votes.

And this message is sent even if the Green you vote for loses.

VOTE GREEN! 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democrats and Republicans are passing these fascist laws, <b>so let&#8217;s vote AGAINST these traitors!</b></p>
<p>The Green Party is the progressive alternative. The Green Party doesn&#8217;t accept corporate money and represents the 99%.</p>
<p>5% of the vote will get the Green Party matching Federal funds.</p>
<p>Your Green vote sends a message to the corporate parties that passing fascist laws and using military tactics to brutalize people exercising their freedom of speech will cost them votes.</p>
<p>And this message is sent even if the Green you vote for loses.</p>
<p>VOTE GREEN!</p>
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		<title>By: Anton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 12:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Hill knows that the revolution will soon be coming to the neighborhood and it is preparing for it, trying to shield themselves from what is going to become an angry mob, and to no avail... there is no way of stopping it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hill knows that the revolution will soon be coming to the neighborhood and it is preparing for it, trying to shield themselves from what is going to become an angry mob, and to no avail&#8230; there is no way of stopping it.</p>
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		<title>By: Francoise Arouete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francoise Arouete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 02:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Clearly you are NO expert but this take no expertise!This is absolutely false propaganda. It&#039;s a legal no-brainer.   See 
H.R. 347 Does Not Violate First Amendment at http://open.salon.com/blog/f_a...

Can we please stop these hysterical please to ignorance? This is easy enough for w pea-shooter brain to grasp - provided they can read as a 6th grade level. HOW many children have been left behind?!       
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Clearly you are NO expert but this take no expertise!This is absolutely false propaganda. It&#8217;s a legal no-brainer.   See<br />
H.R. 347 Does Not Violate First Amendment at <a target="_blank" href="http://open.salon.com/blog/f_a.."  rel="nofollow">http://open.salon.com/blog/f_a..</a>.</p>
<p>Can we please stop these hysterical please to ignorance? This is easy enough for w pea-shooter brain to grasp &#8211; provided they can read as a 6th grade level. HOW many children have been left behind?!</p>
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		<title>By: Francoise Arouete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francoise Arouete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 01:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is absolutely false propaganda. It&#039;s a legal no-brainer.   See 
H.R. 347 Does Not Violate First Amendment at http://open.salon.com/blog/f_arouete/2012/03/07/hr_347_does_not_violate_first_amendment

Can we please stop these hysterical please to ignorance that do little more than trash your own credibility? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is absolutely false propaganda. It&#8217;s a legal no-brainer.   See<br />
H.R. 347 Does Not Violate First Amendment at <a target="_blank" href="http://open.salon.com/blog/f_arouete/2012/03/07/hr_347_does_not_violate_first_amendment"  rel="nofollow">http://open.salon.com/blog/f_arouete/2012/03/07/hr_347_does_not_violate_first_amendment</a></p>
<p>Can we please stop these hysterical please to ignorance that do little more than trash your own credibility?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 00:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I&#039;m no expert on US law or constitution, but if you read the very first part of the quoted First amendment above, you know, the bit about congress not to abridge..... Which is exactly and precisely what HR347 is.

If you want to live in a nation like Zimbabwe, sure, go ahead and support laws like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I&#8217;m no expert on US law or constitution, but if you read the very first part of the quoted First amendment above, you know, the bit about congress not to abridge&#8230;.. Which is exactly and precisely what HR347 is.</p>
<p>If you want to live in a nation like Zimbabwe, sure, go ahead and support laws like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Francoise Arouete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francoise Arouete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 21:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;Tearing away&quot; at the First Amendment right to peaceably assemble. My, my, how the hyperbole doth fly!  Who writes this hysterical rubbish? High school sophomores? 

Instead of telling us, with your own hyperbolic propagandistic adjectives, what the Bill says why don’t you just provide a copy of the bill so we can, like, think for ourselves? Or does that run too much of a risk for you? Hysterical propaganda like this only serves to damage your own credibility. To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, when it comes to matters of law would-be journalists are best to remain silent and presumed ignorant rather than open their mouths to remove all doubt. 

It is axiomatic that no law is absolute- not even the First Amendment. This law clearly does not violate the First Amendment but merely enables it&#039;s enforcement. Come on! This is a legal no brainer. Can you read?! The First Amendment protects the &quot;right of the people peaceably to assemble.&quot; It says what it means and it means what it says. 

No doubt the bill if passed into law and signed by the president will face legal challenge but having actually read it it appears to be entirely constitutional as a “reasonable time, place and manner restriction.”  It is sufficiently narrowly drawn as it requires a ‘knowing intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions,’ It requires one to engage in “disorderly or disruptive conduct [that] in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions.”

That, by definition, is not ‘peaceful assembly’ which is all First Amendment protects. The right to ‘peaceful assembly&#039; clearly does not include the right to intentionally impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government  nor does it grant anyone the right engage in &quot;disorderly or disruptive conduct [that] in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly conduct of Government business. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tearing away&#8221; at the First Amendment right to peaceably assemble. My, my, how the hyperbole doth fly!  Who writes this hysterical rubbish? High school sophomores? </p>
<p>Instead of telling us, with your own hyperbolic propagandistic adjectives, what the Bill says why don’t you just provide a copy of the bill so we can, like, think for ourselves? Or does that run too much of a risk for you? Hysterical propaganda like this only serves to damage your own credibility. To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, when it comes to matters of law would-be journalists are best to remain silent and presumed ignorant rather than open their mouths to remove all doubt. </p>
<p>It is axiomatic that no law is absolute- not even the First Amendment. This law clearly does not violate the First Amendment but merely enables it&#8217;s enforcement. Come on! This is a legal no brainer. Can you read?! The First Amendment protects the &#8220;right of the people peaceably to assemble.&#8221; It says what it means and it means what it says. </p>
<p>No doubt the bill if passed into law and signed by the president will face legal challenge but having actually read it it appears to be entirely constitutional as a “reasonable time, place and manner restriction.”  It is sufficiently narrowly drawn as it requires a ‘knowing intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions,’ It requires one to engage in “disorderly or disruptive conduct [that] in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions.”</p>
<p>That, by definition, is not ‘peaceful assembly’ which is all First Amendment protects. The right to ‘peaceful assembly&#8217; clearly does not include the right to intentionally impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government  nor does it grant anyone the right engage in &#8220;disorderly or disruptive conduct [that] in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly conduct of Government business.</p>
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