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UPDATED WITH TRANSCRIPT – Empire State Rebellion: An Idea Whose Time Has Come (A99 Video)

March 20th, 2011 | Filed under Activism, Economy, Feature, Hot List, Media, Music, News, Politics & Government, Pop Cult, Video . Follow comments through RSS 2.0 feed. Click here to comment, or trackback.

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3/22 UPDATE: As per request, we are editing in a transcript below the video. Many regular readers prefer the interview clips without the music background. The music in the background is a new dubstep mix. Dubstep is a popular form of music that has played a significant role in fueling protests throughout the world. The young unemployed have referred to their protest movements as a Dubstep revolution. It is with them in mind that this music video was created. Clips from the video and mp3 are already becoming a popular “underground” hit among dubstep DJs.

Editor’s Note: This video was created by Anon and posted to our social network. It was also posted on Max Keiser’s website. It features clips from David DeGraw’s most recent interview with Max Keiser. Clip images from the original OpESR video were edited in.

Prepare for… “The Ultimate Recipe For Revolution.”

Transcript – Dubstep Remix of David DeGraw’s Interview with Max Keiser.

Mainstream media in the United States is the most efficient weapon of mass oppression. The propaganda system is so extensive. People are very confused. They don’t really grasp what is happening.

On a very basic and profound level they understand that global banks have robbed the country. They get that, but there is so much divide and conquer rhetoric – it goes from the mainstream media and it filters all the way down into independent media.

So it’s a matter of finding that place where you can overcome the divide and conquer propaganda. And where we can find that place is on Wall Street and breaking up the banks.

How would a million people clogging lower Manhattan’s financial district play out in the global media?

If we came down there and said: “We’re not leaving until we have commitments to break up the banks and end the campaign finance racket.”

Let’s just go over some statistics here:

· 59 Million people without health care
· 52 Million in poverty
· 44 Million on food stamps
· 30 Million in need of work
· 7 Million foreclosed on
· 5 Million homes over 60 days late on mortgage payments
· $1 Trillion in student debt

We have the highest, most severe inequality of wealth we have ever had, unlimited campaign spending, budget cuts for the poor, tax breaks for the rich – this is the ultimate recipe for revolution.

America has 239 million people living paycheck to paycheck right now. Food prices are going up, oil is going up, everything is going up – these people aren’t going to be able to make ends meet.

It’s the same everywhere, it’s global policies, whether its Ireland, United States, Egypt, Greece. People are going to fight back because the economic central planners have become so arrogant.

Economic central planners, who control the global economy through the IMF, World Bank and Federal Reserve, are committed to sentencing tens of millions of people to a slow death through economic policy. Obviously, those people, as time goes by, they are going to fight back, because they are fighting to survive.

This is a global rebellion. People don’t seem to get the fact that we live in a global economy and there is a Neo-Liberal centrally planned aristocracy which runs the global economy, and we are in the midst of a worldwide economic war right now. It is a straight up economic war with genocidal economic policies, which of course are going to lead to mass rebellion.

Decentralized global rebellion.

Decentralized resistance.

Decentralized revolutionaries.

We had you on the show a few months ago, and you called for a revolution. The revolution is happening right now.

Tells us about the A99 Operation Empire State Rebellion.

OpESR Empire State Rebellion

The revolution is happening right now.

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  1. sjm30741 said:

    This is a fantastic message, but I really hated the presentation. I wish this info would just be given in straight narrative without the distracting production effects.

  2. Mike said:

    Good message, production effects are very distracting!

  3. David Lynch said:

    Revolution is not necessarily borne of oppression. Revolutions typically occur when a people feels like they have been deprived of something they feel they had been promised.

    The question is: do the American people feel strongly enough that a promise has been reneged? The American Dream, perhaps?

    Or, are we conditioned to accept our lot as the rich and powerful continue their consolidation of resources that we once shared in?

    PS – I agree that this video should have placed more emphasis on the compelling facts than on the video production effects.

  4. amaric said:

    l agree with the above comments that the message was good but the production affects were somewhat annoying.

  5. Carole Davis said:

  6. Carole Davis said:

    Great message, poor presentation. I also found the repetition and the sound effects annoying and David (bless his heart) is better heard than seen. He is so impossibly young.

  7. Leda Méndez said:

    Sorry for this new war. Sorry for the people of the US. Sorry for de people of Lybia, sorry for we all citizens of the earth.

  8. raingod69 said:

    To avoid repetition of the same comment I shall just say “what they said.”

  9. laurent jubinville said:

    The Enemy Is Down The Street

    This is an emergency message to the collective bargainers of Wisconsin. You are falling right into the divide and conquer trap that is set for you all. Please get together with your non-union compatriots, together with your fellow-members of adjacent states and turn your sights onto the enemy.
    Your enemy is not governor Walker. Your enemy is not the government opposition. Your enemy is not in Wisconsin. Your enemy is not in Washington.
    All these are but entities hanging from the strings being manipulated by your real enemy. This is an emergency. You must get together in the name of not only your members, but of all citizens and start walking towards New York. Your enemy is not at all the general public.
    From your remarkable reputation of values and determination, you could potentially gather three million supporters to walk onto Wall Street. Bring your demands onto the table of these enslaving banks. These are your enemy. These are our enemy. This is the enemy at the root of every economic dispute presently happening on this planet.
    Just go in there peacefully, set up camp and ask J P Morgan, BoA, Citi, Wells Fargo, Wachovia and the others for the few billions that Walker needs to balance the budget, and just take it back to him. But before you leave the bank, ask them also for the money they stole that was meant to balance all local, municipal, state, and national budgets. Also don’t leave without the money this den of vipers stole from the Arab world,
    the African world, the Third world, or just plainly The World. If they don’t quite have enough there on Wall Street, just move up the isle a bit and get the rest from Rockefeller. If this evil House doesn’t have quite enough at home, there is another House in Europe that could fill in the gap without even feeling the pinch. Please go to New York. That is where the enemy is. Wall Street has barricaded off every one of our Main Streets, but you can get around that. Your are demonstrating the ability to straighten this mess for one and all.

    dajubester

    Canada

  10. Tamara said:

    Thank you David, your work is very important and much appreciated. However I musk ask you not to repeat yourself so. It is annoying and insulting to your audience.

    Time is short. Please don’t waste ours.

  11. lcotler said:

    Great message…poorly done.
    Repetition and music sucks — destroys the message.

  12. Randy said:

    When the million or more show up on Wall Street demanding a cease and desist order, they should circle the Council of Foreign Relations CFR Building in Manhattan as well. Make sure no one leaves the buildings for food or anything else, excluding all personnel such as secretaries and office working employees, like the blue collar workers who clean the buildings. They must be ID checked to insure they aren’t the CEO’s, Presidents or Vice Presidents working in the offices. The targeted locations must be made up and distributed amongst the crowd. Logistics are key, it’s like putting on a Woodstock without the Music in downtown Manhattan, microphones and speakers are necessary and permission to use office building windows in the vicinity for placement of the speakers too. This whole process needs the study and conduct likened to a full scaled invasion by a military, a revolutionary army of concerned citizens. Planning is immensely important, so call for the best in every field to participate in making history. Good Luck to all, I would help if I could but I would have to here a clarion call for action as to timeframes and procedures. Let the revolution begin.

  13. Abdullahi Edward said:

    Jarone A. Baker has hit the nail on the head. It is the main problem that has caused us to be in the situation we are in world wide. And isn’t it strange that while Capitalism thrives on it, the only “ism” that prohibits it is Islam and that’s why the Muslims are ALWAYS cast as the “bad guys” in the world we live in. Sounds a bit like 1984 “Truespeak” to me.

  14. Gary said:

    Most of the people here are more analytical thinkers who are accustom to reading long detailed reports which are usually produced on this site. This video is meant for a different target audience and it is very effective in communicating to them. It is sad that many of the commenters here are not widening their perspective a bit. The message needs to be delivered in many different ways and to many different people. It appears the people at Amped understand that.

    Congrats on expanding your influence! GREAT VIDEO!!!!!

  15. anajinn said:

    kill the annoying music

  16. Tom Hyland said:

    I know I’m probably getting to sound like some old guy… but why is it that these young folks
    cannot say what they have to say without adding a disco beat sound track and chop up the whole piece with edgy spliced film editing? There would be much more credibility if we weren’t expected to stand up, wave our arms through the air and execute dance steps while the message goes down.

  17. Simon said:

    I can understand why older people will not like this video. BUT people need to understand that getting a message like this into the dubstep music scene will be a HUGE benefit to the movement as a whole.

    THANK YOU!

  18. jeffsmathers said:

    David Crockett once a Congressman circa 1840′s:

    One day in the House of Representatives, a bill was taken up appropriating money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several beautiful speeches had been made in its support. The Speaker was just about to put the question when Mr. Crockett arose:

    “Mr. Speaker — I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the suffering of the living, if suffering there be, as any man in this house, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I have never heard that the government was in arrears to him.

    “Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as a charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week’s pay to the object, and, if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks.

    “He took his seat. Nobody replied. The bill was put upon its passage, and, instead of passing unanimously, as was generally supposed, and as, no doubt, it would, but for that speech, it received but few votes, and of course, was lost.

    “Later, when asked by a friend why he had opposed the appropriation, Crockett gave this explanation:

    “Several years ago I was one evening standing on the steps of the Capitol with some other members of Congress, when our attention was attracted by a great light over in Georgetown. It was evidently a large fire. We jumped into a hack and drove over as fast as we could. In spite of all that could be done, many houses were burned and many families made homeless, and, besides, some of them had lost all but the clothes they had on. The weather was very cold, and when I saw so many women and children suffering, I felt that something ought to be one for them. The next morning a bill was introduced appropriating $20,000 for their relief. We put aside all other business and rushed it through as soon as it could be done.

    “The next summer, when it began to be time to think about the election, I concluded I would take a scout around among the boys of my district. I had no opposition there, but, as the election was some time off, I did not know what might turn up. When riding one day in a part of my district in which I was more a stranger than any other, I saw a man in a field plowing and coming toward the road. I gauged my gait so that we should meet as he came to the fence. As he came up, I spoke to the man. He replied politely, but, as I thought, rather coldly.

    “I began: ‘Well, friend, I am one of those unfortunate beings called candidates, and–’

    ” ‘Yes, I know you; you are Colonel Crockett. I have seen you once before, and voted for you the last time you were elected. I suppose you are out electioneering now, but you had better not waste your time or mine. I shall not vote for you again.’

    “This was a sockdolager… I begged him to tell me what was the matter.

    ” ‘Well, Colonel, it is hardly worth-while to waste time or words upon it. I do not see how it can be mended, but you gave a vote last winter which shows that either you have not capacity to understand the Constitution, or that you are wanting in the honesty and firmness to be guided by it. In either case you are not the man to represent me. But I beg your pardon for expressing it in that way. I did not intend to avail myself of the privilege of the constituent to speak plainly to a candidate for the purpose of insulting or wounding you. I intended by it only to say that your understanding of the Constitution is very different from mine; and I will say to you what, but for my rudeness, I should not have said, that I believe you to be honest….But an understanding of the Constitution different from mine I cannot overlook, because the Constitution, to be worth anything, must be held sacred, and rigidly observed in all its provisions. The man who wields power and misinterprets it is the more dangerous the more honest he is.’

    “I admit the truth of all you say, but there must be some mistake about it, for I do not remember that I gave any vote last winter upon any Constitutional question.

    ” ‘No, Colonel, there’s no mistake. Though I live here in the backwoods and seldom go from home, I take the papers from Washington and read very carefully all the proceedings in Congress. My papers say that last winter you voted for a bill to appropriate $20,000 to some suffers by a fire in Georgetown. Is that true?’

    “Well, my friend, I may as well own up. You have got me there. But certainly nobody will complain that a great and rich country like ours should give the insignificant sum of $20,000 to relieve its suffering women and children, particularly with a full and overflowing Treasury, and I am sure, if you had been there, you would have done just as I did.’

    ” ‘It is not the amount, Colonel, that I complain of; it is the principle. In the first place, the government ought to have in the Treasury no more than enough for its legitimate purposes. But that has nothing to do with the question. The power of collecting and disbursing money at pleasure is the most dangerous power that can be intrusted to man, particularly under our system of collecting revenue by tariff, which reaches every man in the country, no matter how poor he may be, and the poorer he is the more he pays in proportion to his means. What is worse, it presses upon him without his knowledge where the weight centers, for there is not a man in the United States who can ever guess how much he pays to the government. So you see, that while you are contributing to relieve one, you are drawing it from thousands who are even worse off than he. If you had the right to give anything, the amount was simply a matter of discretion with you, and you had as much right to give $20,000,000 as $20,000. If you have the right to give to one, you have the right to give to all; and, as the Constitution neither defines charity nor stipulates the amount, you are at liberty to give to any thing and everything which you may believe, or profess to believe, is a charity, and to any amount you may think proper. You will very easily perceive what a wide door this would open for fraud and corruption and favoritism, on the one hand, and for robbing the people on the other. No, Colonel, Congress has no right to give charity. Individual members may give as much of their own money as they please, but they have no right to touch a dollar of the public money for that purpose. If twice as many houses had been burned in this county as in Georgetown, neither you nor any other member of Congress would have thought of appropriating a dollar for our relief. There are about two hundred and forty members of Congress. If they had shown their sympathy for the suffers by contributing each one week’s pay, it would have made over $13,000. There are plenty of men in and around Washington who could have given $20,000 without depriving themselves of even a luxury of life. The congressmen chose to keep their own money, which, if reports be true, some of them spend not very creditable; and the people about Washington, no doubt, applauded you for relieving them from the necessity of giving by giving what was not yours to give. The people have delegated to Congress, by the Constitu- tion, the power to do certain things. To do these, it is authorized to collect and pay moneys, and for nothing else. Everything beyond this is usurpation, and a violation of the Constitution. So you see, Colonel, you have violated the Constitution in what I consider a vital point. It is a precedent fraught with danger to the country, for when Congress once begins to stretch it’s power beyond the limits of the Constitution, there is no limit to it, and no security for the people. I have no doubt you acted honestly, but that does not make it any better, except as far as you are personally concerned, and you see that I cannot vote for you..’

    “I tell you I felt streaked. I saw if I should have opposition, and this man should go to talking, he would set others to talking, and in that district I was a gone fawn-skin. I could not answer him, for the fact is, I was so fully convinced that he was right, I did not want to. But I must satisfy him, and I said to him: Well, my friend, you hit the nail upon the head when you said I did not have sense enough to understand the Constitution. I intended to be guided by it, and thought I had studied it fully. I have heard many speeches in Congress about the powers of Congress, but what you have said here at your plow has got more hard, sound sense in it than all the fine speeches I ever heard. If I had ever taken the view of it that you have, I would have put my head into the fire before I would have given that vote; and if I ever vote for another unconstitutional law I wish I may be shot.

    “He laughingly replied: ‘Yes Colonel, you have sworn to that once before, but I will trust you again upon one condition. You say that you are convinced that your vote was wrong. Your acknowledgment of it will do more good than beating you for it. If, as you go around this district, you will tell people about this vote, and that you are satisfied that it was wrong, I will not only vote for you, but will do what I can to keep down opposition, and perhaps, I may exert a little influence in that way.’

    “If I don’t [said I] I wish I may be shot; and to convince you that I am earnest in what I say I will come back this way in a week or ten days, and if you will get up a gathering of the people, I will make a speech to them. Get up a barbecue, and I will pay for it.

    ” ‘No, Colonel, we are not rich people in this section, but we have plenty of provisions to contribute to a barbecue, and some to spare for those who have none. The push of crops will be over in a few days, and we can then afford a day for a barbecue. This is Thursday; I will see to getting up on Saturday week.. Come to my house on Friday, and we will go together, and I promise you a very respectable crowd to see and hear you.’

    “Well, I will be here. but one thing more before I say good-bye. I must know your name.

    ” ‘My name is Bunce.’

    “Not Horatio Bunce?

    ” ‘Yes.’

    “Well, Mr. Bunce, I never saw you before though you say you have seen me, but I know you very well. I am glad I have met you, and very proud that I may hope to have you for my friend.

    “It was one of the luckiest hits of my life that I met him. He mingled but little with the public, but was widely known for his remarkable intelligence and incorruptible integrity, and for a heart brimful and running over with kindness and benevolence, which showed themselves not only in words but in acts. He was the oracle of the whole country around him, and his fame had extended far beyond the circle of his immediate acquaintance. Though I had never met him before, I had heard much of him, and but for this meeting it is very likely I should have had opposition, and had been beaten. One thing is very certain, no man could now stand up in that district under such a vote.

    “At the appointed time I was at his house, having told our conversation to every crowd I had met, and to every man I stayed all night with, and I found that it gave the people an interest and a confidence in me stronger than I had ever seen manifested before. Though I was considerably fatigued when I reached his house, and, under ordinary circumstances, should have gone early to bed, I kept up until midnight, talking about the principles and affairs of government, and got more real, true knowledge of them than I had got all my life before. I have known and seen much of him since, for I respect him — no, that is not the word — I reverence and love him more than any living man, and I go to see him two or three times a year; and I will tell you sir, if everyone who professes to be a Christian, lived and acted and enjoyed it as he does, the religion of Christ would take the world by storm.

    “But to return to my story. The next morning we went to the barbecue, and, to my surprise, found about a thousand men there. I met a good many whom I had not known before, and they and my friend introduced me around until I had got pretty well acquainted — at least, they all knew me. In due time notice was given that I would speak to them. They gathered up around a stand that had been erected. I opened my speech by saying:

    “Fellow-citizens — I present myself before you today feeling like a new man. My eyes have lately been opened to truths which ignorance or prejudice, or both, had heretofore hidden from my view. I feel that I can today offer you the ability to render you more valuable service than I have ever been able to render before. I am here today more for the purpose of acknowledging my error than to seek your votes. That I should make this acknowledgment is due to myself as well as to you. Whether you will vote for me is a matter for your consideration only.

    “I went on to tell them about the fire and my vote for the appropriation and then told them why I was satisfied it was wrong. I closed by saying:

    “And now, fellow-citizens, it remains only for me to tell you that the most of the speech you have listened to with so much interest was simply a repetition of the arguments by which your neighbor, Mr. Bunce, convinced me of my error.

    “It is the best speech I ever made in my life, but he is entitled to the credit for it. And now I hope he is satisfied with his convert and that he will get up here and tell you so.

    “He came upon the stand and said: ” ‘Fellow-citizens — It affords me great pleasure to comply with the request of Colonel Crockett. I have always considered him a thoroughly honest man, and I am satisfied that he will faithfully perform all that he has promised you today.’

    “He went down, and there went up from that crowd such a shout for Davy Crockett as his name never called forth before.

    “I am not much given to tears, but I was taken with a choking then and felt some big drops rolling down my cheeks. And I tell you now that the remembrance of those few words spoken by such a man, and the honest, hearty shout they produced, is worth more to me than all the reputation I have ever made, or shall ever make, as a member of Congress.

    “Now, sir,” concluded Crockett, “you know why I made that speech yesterday. There is one thing now to which I wish to call to your attention. You remember that I proposed to give a week’s pay. There are in that House many very wealthy men — men who think nothing of spending a week’s pay, or a dozen of them, for a dinner or a wine party when they have something to accomplish by it. Some of those same men made beautiful speeches upon the great debt of gratitude which the country owed the deceased — a debt which could not be paid by money — and the insignificance and worthlessness of money, particularly so insignificance a sum as $10,000, when weighed against the honor of the nation. Yet not one of them responded to my proposition. Money with them is nothing but trash when it is come out of the people. But it is the one great thing for which most of them are striving, and many of them sacrifice honor, integrity, and justice to obtain it.” David Crockett was born August 17, 1786 at Limestone (Greene County), Tennessee. He died March 06, 1836 as one of the brave Southerners defending the Alamo.

    Crockett had settled in Franklin County, Tennessee in 1811. He served in the Creek War under Andrew Jackson. In 1821 and 1823 he was elected to the Tennessee legislature. In 1826 and 1828 he was elected to Congress. He was defeated in 1830 for his outspoken opposition to President Jackson’s Indian Bill – but was elected again in 1832.

    In Washington, although his eccentricities of dress and manner excited comment, he was always popular on account of his shrewd common sense and homely wit; although generally favoring Jackson’s policy, he was entirely independent and refused to vote to please any party leader.

    At the end of the congressional term, he joined the Texans in the war against Mexico, and in 1836 was one of the roughly 180 men who died defending the Alamo. Tradition has it that Crockett was one of only six survivors after the Mexicans took the fort, and that he and the others were taken out and executed by firing squad.

  19. Alan MacDonald said:

    Looks like “The Coming Insurrection” is already coming and here.

    Congrats.

    I like the name “Empire State Rebellion”, since it focuses on the Empire State or state of the global Empire, and also implies the Empire State home of the empire’s Wall Street financial control.

    I like the explicit ‘non-violent’ commitment of the insurrection/rebellion/revolt, but this might be explicitly contrasted to the violent Empire.

    The media disguise of the Empire is certainly a seminal characteristic of the empire’s propaganda, but raises concerns, maybe even doubts, about the “anonymous” nature of the group anonymous. Explicitly naming the target, Empire, is effective (and necessary), but perhaps the revolution “Against Empire” (Parenti) could be more effective if not as shrouded as the Empire. However, an overt openness on the side of the revolution might obviously carry the risk of exposure to Empire counter-revolutionary measures. [I've got to think this over]

    Alan MacDonald
    Sanford, Maine
    Liberty over violent empire — People’s Party 2012

  20. Derek said:

    FYI

    IF YOU HOOK UP YOUR COMPUTER TO YOUR STEREO AND BLAST THIS IT IS SOOOO FUCKING INTENSE

    AWESOME!!!!!!!

  21. TONTO said:

    “I MEAN LIKE … YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN … I MEAN YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN A BROKEN RECORD IS THE ULTIMATE RECIPE FOR REVOLUTION YA KNOW LIKE WHAT I MEAN. MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE ARE MORE ANALYTICAL THINKERS (DUH REALLY?) YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN WHO ARE ACCUSTOM TO READING LONG DETAILED REPORTS WHICH ARE USUALLY PRODUCED ON THIS SITE YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN THIS VIDEO IS MEANT FOR A DIFFERENT TARGET AUDIENCE DUH YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN AND IT IS VERY EFFECTIVE IN COMMUNICATING YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN TO THEM. IT IS SAD THAT MANY OF THE COMMENTERS HERE ARE NOT WIDENING THEIR PERSPECTIVE A BIT YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN. THE MESSAGE NEEDS TO BE DELIVERED YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS AND TO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. IT APPEARS THE PEOPLE AT AMPED UNDERSTAND THAT. YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

  22. Jay said:

    And like exactly what is your plan? You want to accomplish what? And then what?

  23. The question is can people converge on Wall Street? Or will people converge strategically in financial districts throughout the world, country, those places are pretty hostile to protesters. I meet homeless guys who don’t have the busfare to get to SF to do a “protest”- it is in some ways a luxury for the rich, to simply be able to go to protests. Last Saturday, I and my friends went to San Francisco to protest the war- not just in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, but the war of the rich on the poor, the haves versus the have nots, the bomb makers versus the poor grunts who are mere cannon fodder. It was raining (probably rain full of radiation from Japan); it was cold; there were maybe 18000 people who participated and they dispersed within several hours for the warmth and comfort of “regular lives.”

    I applaud this effort, but I don’t think it is going to be easy to mobilize the numbers required to get Bernanke or any of those other high level champions of war and deadly economic policies to step down.

    Just a little while ago the judge ruled against Norfed (The whole article is posted at-
    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/fbi-busts-mastermind-criminal-issuing-silver-currency-demanding-repeal-fed-and-irs-faces-15-), but there were some very chilling statements in the article, basically criminalizing dissent…

    In coordination with the Department of Justice, on September 14, 2006, the United States Mint issued a press release and warning to American citizens that the Liberty Dollar was “not legal tender.” The U.S. Mint press release and public service announcement stated that the Department of Justice had determined that the use of Liberty Dollars as circulating money was a federal crime.

    Article I, section 8, clause 5 of the United States Constitution delegates to Congress the power to coin money and to regulate the value thereof. This power was delegated to Congress in order to establish and preserve a uniform standard of value and to insure a singular monetary system for all purchases and debts in the United States, public and private. Along with the power to coin money, Congress has the concurrent power to restrain the circulation of money which is not issued under its own authority in order to protect and preserve the constitutional currency for the benefit of all citizens of the nation. It is a violation of federal law for individuals, such as von NotHaus, or organizations, such as NORFED, to create private coin or currency systems to compete with the official coinage and currency of the United States.

    Von NotHaus, who remains free on bond, faces a sentence of up to 15 years’ imprisonment on count two of the indictment and a fine of not more than $250,000. Von NotHaus faces a prison sentence of five years and fines of $250,000 on both counts one and three. In addition, the United States is seeking the forfeiture of approximately 16,000 pounds of Liberty Dollar coins and precious metals, currently valued at nearly $7 million. The forfeiture trial, which began today before United States District Court Judge Richard Voorhees, will resume on April 4, 2011 in the federal courthouse in Statesville. Judge Voorhees has not yet set a date for the sentencing of von NotHaus.

    “Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Tompkins said in announcing the verdict. “While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country,” she added. “We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.”

    The case was investigated by the FBI, Buncombe County Sheriff’s Department, and the U.S. Secret Service, in cooperation with and invaluable assistance of the United States Mint.

  24. Randy said:

    If these elitist bankers of the world flee to Denver to hide out the coming catastophies, we will need to make sure once they climb into their hole we don’t let the crooks back out!

  25. Luis Magno said:

    Take down the banksters and their system (or wait for it to crash on its own?). But what do we replace it with? Who amongst your own kind do you trust with real money? With the creation of new money? With what intention? For what purpose? To what end?

    Enact the Ethnocultural Sovereignty Amendment to the Constitution for the united States of America, the missing Eleventh Right of the Bill of Rights, the true Democracy Amendment.

  26. MO said:

    we are CO-OPERATING to Our Death with OUR OPPRESSORS It’s simple stop co-operating!
    don’t make a fuss,
    don’t yell & shout,
    JUST STOP CO-OPERATING.
    stealth non co-operation

  27. Nancy Tally said:

    Love the message,, but, the music,,, Why!!! it gave me a headache, stop the music,,, it’s not needed or wanted.

  28. Thomas Gregory said:

    It is true that some banks are too large and should be broken up. But breaking up large banks does not get to the heart of the problem. The remaining banks will consolidate and replace those you break up.

    One writer puts his finger on the problem: usury.

    Read ‘The Lost Science of Money’ by Stephen Zarlenga for the most massive account of usury and greed in print today. You can learn more about his American Monetary Institute at http://www.monetary.org. Join me and Mr. Zarlenga in Chicago in September. You will learn about a movement that ‘really’ will break up the large banks, rein in the Federal Reserve, and pay off the Federal Debt in 20 to 30 years. It will accomplish all that at the same time it is rebuilding America’s collapsing infrastructure.

    Think it is too good to be true? Representative Dennis Kucinich doesn’t agree with you. He has, in fact, already submitted a bill that contains the three critical steps identified by Zarlenga that must be accomplished to transform the economy. His bill is HR 6050 that was submitted in December 2010 during the 111th Congress. Those steps are (1) End Fractional Reserve Banking, (2) Put the Federal Reserve under the control of the Treasury Department, and (3) Spend enough debt-free money on infrastructure improvements to eliminate the Great Recession and the Federal Debt.

    I know it sounds crazy, but check it out and meet me in Chicago this September.

  29. Stendec UR232 said:

    Good message, production effects are very VERY >>>>> distracting!

  30. @Thomas Gregory said:

    Do you think is possible to pay of ACTUAL NATIONAL DEBT of 202 TRILLION big ones in 20 to 30 years?

  31. A Liberal in Lakeview said:

    @Thomas Gregory, about the steps of the Kucinich bill:

    (1) One of the purposes of the FRS was to shelter private bankers from the old vice of fractional reserve warehouse banking. In other words, to protect warehouse bankers who wanted to be loan bankers who loaned out their own customers’ money. So why does the Kucinich plan keep the FRS at all? I’ll answer this in a moment.

    (2) The Treasury will assume nominal ownership of the banking cartel in additional to real ownership? Congratulations, the Kucinich plan abandons the pretense that government is not a committee for managing, sponsoring, and subsidizing the private affairs of bankers. Also, the Treasury Dept. will come under intense political pressure to finance militarism and welfare statism no matter what objections the bankers raise about the risks of inflation.

    Since the Kucinich bills eliiminates fract. res. banking, the central bank aka the Treasury Department has few options to help finance the politicians’ profligate ways. Among these options are (i) raise taxes, a lot, (ii) print a lot of currency, and (ii) spend whatever gold reserves that the government has. The first increases likelihood of tax revolt, the second puts the paper currency at risk of hyperinflation, and the third is limited by the quantity of gold.

    Not hard to figure out how the Kucinich plan ends. It would be a painful way to get rid of an evil institution, and it would leave a lot of people bitterly disappointed, given the high expectations that have been set. And anyone familiar with Manifesto of the Communist Party will cry “this is another step toward communism!”.

    (3) So, debt-free money will finance the massive, Keynesian public works project? And the debt will be paid off by spending the money on the public works projects instead of paying the debt itself? What happens when the projects are completed? Economic activity must fall sharply unless the public works projects were never really effective in the first place.

    The Kucinich plan is worse than daydreaming, but at least we know why Kucinich wants to merge the FRS with the Treasury Dept. He needs it to finance welfare schemes. Of course, there will be political pressure from crony capitalists to cash in on the make-work schemes, just as there was when FDR was in office, so old lobbying problems in Congress will be made worse.

    Also, to get the debt-free public works program to work even a little as you envision, you’ll need to abolish government borrowing. That, too, won’t happen. But even if it did, the debt is so enourmous that spending will have to be reduced, which washes out the benefits, so called, of the public works projects.

    Another problem is the coinage. It’s virtually guarranted that vast quantities of paper currency would be printed with Kucinich plan. The FRS-Treasury will remain under control of Keynesians, and Keynesians are petrified by the word “deflation”. So they will print gobs and gobs of currency. But problems arise when this monetary inflation drives up the prices of commodities, including those metals in the coinage. So eventually, $1 FRN will trade at a discount to $1 of pennies, $1 of nickels, and so on. These coins will gradually disappear from circulation unless the coinage is not debased….again. But since the monetary inflation is so undisciplined and price inflation gone wild, the US Mint won’t be able to keep up and we’ll end up with multiple coinages of varying metal content but the superficiallly same appearance. Commerce will be thrown in to chaos.

    The Kucinich plan is reckless, foolish, and irresponsible. Eventually the who project selfdestucts, and then there will be a violent convulsion, for the government intervention has made so many dependent upon the government for their livelihood.

    Once again, government to the rescue, and sure enough it’s a leftist who’s eager to cause more problems by treating the symptoms of government with little tweaks to the basic problem, which is government.

  32. Luis Magno said:

    @Thomas Gregory

    Thanks for the heads-up on Rep. Kucinich’s bill “The National Emergency Employment Defense Act (NEED)” at http://www.monetary.org. It’s totally doable. All that is needed now is the political will in Congress to do it. It’s a game changer. Nay, it’s a life changer. My respect for Kucinich just shot up 1000%. Wowie! We need to make the bill the litmus test for anyone running for the Senate or for the House of Representativse or for President in 2012. I am truly blown away.

  33. Thomas Gregory said:

    One writer above asks if I believe it is possible to repay the $202 trillion that the government owes. The current debt is less that $14.2 trillion, and YES I believe that debt can be repaid. It will be repaid with money as the Treasury bonds and notes reach maturity.

    Now, for the writer so critical of the Kucinich plan:

    Thank you for taking time to respond to my post.

    Your post reveals a common misconception about how banks work. Many believe banks loan out their customers’ money that has been deposited in checking accounts. They are mistaken – banks do not loan out their customers money. Rather, they CREATE and extend credit. Banks invest their customers’ checking account money for their own profit. (They retain a portion of their customers’ money to cover themselves in case their customers wish to withdraw some of the money in cash are in checks.)

    The Kucinich plan would change the bank accounting rules so that banks would be required to keep ALL their customers’ checking account money. They would only loan out money that customers had designated could be used for that purpose. In other words, banks would be required to operate as most people believe they operate now.

    The Treasury will ‘not’ assume nominal control of the banking cartel under the Kucinich plan. Rather the Treasury will assume the ‘exclusive power’ to create money. Currently, almost all the money in existence was created by banks when they made loans. Let me explain. When a bank customer is approved for a $25,000 loan, for example, the bank does not transfer ‘already existing money’ to the customer. Rather, the bank creates credit out of thin air. When the customer spends the credit, it becomes money in economy. This method is how almost all money in the United States comes into existence. It is called fractional reserve banking, and is the heart of our monetary problems.

    You listed only three ways the government would have to raise money. The second option you mentioned was ‘print a lot of currency.’ Most do not realize that almost all the money in the modern world does not exist in the form of currency. Rather, it is a bookkeeping entry inside a computer file in a bank. It is digital money. We live in a world were there is not enough digital money. (Read that sentence again and think about its implications.)

    Civil engineers estimate that we need $2.2 trillion to repair America’s infrastructure over a five year period. It is possible for a sovereign government to create the money without debt to accomplish this task. There is no need to depend on bank credit for the money.

    Abraham Lincoln was faced with a similar problem when he tried to finance the Civil War. The banks wanted too much money in the form of interest payments. So he turned to the sovereign power of any national government and created MONEY out of thin air. We can do the same and create money to pay for roads, education, and retirement. There is no limit to the need for those items. Only a foolish society would fail to provide them due to a lack of digital money.

    The government ‘already’ creates money out of thin air. Every time the government creates a coin, it has created money out of thin air. We simply need to create digital money in larger quantities. There is no need whatsoever for a sovereign government to go into debt to raise money. We all live under a reigning delusion about money.

    See http://www.monetary.org for more information.

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